There was some sulphur inside of the rock and it happened in July 2024 (sic!), for some strange reason the info is making rounds now some 17 months later

https://www.nasa.gov/missions/mars-science-laboratory/curiosity-rover/nasas-curiosity-rover-discovers-a-surprise-in-a-martian-rock/

“Finding a field of stones made of pure sulfur is like finding an oasis in the desert,” said Curiosity’s project scientist, Ashwin Vasavada of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Southern California. “It shouldn’t be there, so now we have to explain it. Discovering strange and unexpected things is what makes planetary exploration so exciting.”

Now that is proper clickbait :D

If you solely focus on how the victims

i am not solely focusing on victims. i am explaining that out of the two factors, there is only one of them which you have really under control, and it is not the potential attacker’s behaviour, it is yours.

you, on the other way, are bent to explain that you are not responsible for your risky behaviour, which makes YOU part of the problem.

i hope you will never have to find out the hard way that real world can’t be tackled by shouting on the internet.

they deserved to be harmed.

most people do not deserve to be harmed.

it is a hyperbole - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

and it is commonly used phrase in a situation where you face consequences of your own bad decision. so if you are discussing in good faith, stop deflecting.

For the first part, how do you know it is a sketchy neighborhood?

it is generally known information. this is a sketchy neighborhood and everyone in the city, including me, knows that.

You could easily walk into a situation you have no way to know is a bad situation through no fault of your own.

yes, i could have, but that is not what happened in the case i am describing, so lets not deflect and talk about the case i am presenting.

If you get robbed, the blame still falls on the perpetrator. The person did not deserve to be robbed.

the blame is on both of us. the robber should not rob me, but i KNOWINGLY committed risky act and faced the consequences.

• “why did you do it?”
• “well, they shouldn’t have robbed me”
• “but why the fuck would you do it, everyone knows this couldn’t end well”
• “but they shouldn’t have robbed me”
• “NOT THE FUCKING POINT. WHY DID YOU DO SOMETHING SO RISKY, when you could have just walked around?”

The car analogy does not have anything to do with this situation. You would be walking into a space where you knew you were likely to get hurt

the car analogy has everything to do with the situation. you commit risky act, because you so focus on your perceived “rights” that you forget to use your brain. sometime you have to act to protect your rights, and if you don’t, naively believing that everyone will just respect them, that you will sometimes end up facing consequences.

All of the little details point to this not being the case and they just mentioned the gynecologist for engagement bait.

all the little details point to exactly nothing. the gynecologist might very well be just engagement bait, in which case this discussion is indeed pointless.

Later it states 1193 videos were made from 133,000 cameras that were hacked, so while nobody but the people with the data can say for sure, it is quite possible it was just a lobby camera.

ok, that’s fair point. i will admit i have originally reacted just to copied lede without reading the details, i did not really expect that remark to turn into such discussion.

Yes, but your argument is that people should have gone elsewhere. People are just giving you pretty reasonable explanations as to why they might not have simply gone to another doctor.

and that argument stays. if the camera was in fact visible in the exam room (speculation indeed), then walking away would be the only reasonable reaction. i assume that some first line gynecologist don’t perform some critical emergency procedures (and even if so, they would be just fraction of their services) that would really not allow you to wait and go elsewhere. sooner or later, someone should notice and raise an alarm.

Assuming the camera was visible and in the exam room is just that, an assumption

of course it is an assumption. i am reacting within some parameters outside of which this discussion does not make sense.

You can justify victim blaming all you want, but the fact of the matter is the blame lies solely on the perpetrator.

advocating common sense is not victim blaming. playing a victim card is not going to help you when something bad happens to you. https://lemmy.zip/post/54116147/23096002

You can, and should, have situational awareness, but that is something that comes with experience and practice. Not everyone can prepare for every situation.

and one should assume that at least some of the women who were patients there had one. it only takes one person to raise an alarm in situation like that.

It shouldn’t matter!

it shouldn’t matter, but it does. shouting about it on the internet does not change that. and it is not even about sex. if i go to some sketchy neighborhood with 20k$ camera around my neck, i am asking for a trouble, and it is smart thing to think about it beforehand and adapt. whether it should or shouldn’t matter does not matter (pun intended).

it is like a pedestrian walking in front of a speeding car, getting hit by it and then complaining “they were in the right”. how does it matter, when you are still the one being hit by a car?

You don’t know anything about the context or what patients have said and done in this clinic. You just assume everyone knew about it and was OK with it.

You don’t know anything about the context or what patients have said and done in this clinic. You just assume everyone knew about it and was OK with it.

yeah, i am speculating little bit. but if there were some sensitive materials captured, that means the camera was running for some time and no one did anything so impactful it would change. i am not expert of south korean law, but such camera would be major breach of privacy and straight up illegal anywhere in eu, and i assume in us as well, i see their hipaa cited often.

It says nothing about it being in an exam room, could have been in the lobby

i’ll go out on a limb here and say that records from the lobby don’t make very good “sexploitation” material

Could have been hidden as others have said

the article is about camera hacks, not cameras hidden by some peeping tom

Could have simply gone unnoticed since people would not expect a camera in exam rooms

“some” might not, but again, there is no indication these were purposely hidden cameras, so lot of them should.

There are a lot of people to potentially blame here, none of which are the victims

being a victim does not absolve you of responsibility. it does not make any assault that may have happened to you allright, but if you contributed to a situation with a bad decision, the fact you were attacked suddenly does not change that decision into smart one.

https://lemmy.zip/post/54116147/23095684

and you don’t want it full of scratches, since cover glasses and protection cases will probably be quite complicated for these monstrosities?

What the actual fuck? This is victim blaming!

what the actual fuck, no, it is not. the victim status does not absolve you of a responsibility. if you get mugged going through a sketchy neighborhood, that does not make it ok for a robber, but it is a valid question whether it was really good idea for you to go there.

It obviously is a bad idea to have cameras in places like a gynecologist clinic.

it obviously is, but no one seemed to mind, otherwise someone would go to complain about it.

instead of actually talking about the people who put the cameras there??

there is one person who got stupid idea to put the camera there, and there is hundreds or maybe thousands of patients who could have stopped them by telling them they lost their mind and/or going to complain to authorities, and instead they shrugged their shoulders and did nothing.

we are responsible for the world around us. if we just shrug our shoulders when it is not going the way we like it, we can’t be surprised when it is going the other way. sometimes it is not easy, sometimes it is relatively easy and this is the later.

They may not have noticed the cameras

we are talking about cameras being hacked, not about cameras being purposely hidden by some creeping tom.

not have a choice to go elsewhere in a reasonable time

oh really? how many patients do you think come to gynecologist’s office with such urgent condition they can’t go elsewhere?

https://vocabdictionary.com/explained/what-is-the-what-if-fallacy/

so you will let your gynecology treatment record on some security camera, because some other gynecologist might be rapist? you weren’t able to find more absurd nonsense to defend your position?

1. what is the likelihood that random other gynecologist is a rapist?
2. what are you smoking? i want to try some of that.

patients of the clinic could have said “are you fucking kidding me?” and go elsewhere and they did not.

gynaecologist’s clinic

who in their right mind puts a camera in medical exam room and who in their right mind goes there to receive any kind of treatment, thinking “yeah, this camera does not bother me at all”?

sometimes people really do get what they deserve 🤷‍♂️

karaoke rooms

this must have been the worst swingers party ever

not the point. the point was that “conspiracy of ai corporations to drive traffic to themselves” doesn’t make much sense.

chatgpt and claude were both down

we are using the word startup quite liberally, huh?

And with that, hopefully we can put this argument to rest.

wow… the idea that the anecdotal evidence of some youtuber should be the proof, not the engineering and chemistry knowledge of people who designed the battery and charging system and know how it works, is on par with the belief that global warming is caused by farts of the turtles carrying the earth. sad noises.

you can also just train your dog, but that probably wasn’t an option here…

Yes, these links address my exact statement. You would know that if you read any of them.

no these links to news articles, which i have not seen because their poster is on my ignore list, do not address your exact statement. also, news article is not a scientific study.

the only actual study you sent does not, again, address your claim at all.

have YOU bothered to read it? they all deal with the accuracy of the dogs, none of them suggests stupid take like “the dog is just waiting for its handler to tell him to bark”.

we are talking about dogs working at the airport, i am pretty sure that law enforcement at the airport can check basically anyone when they decide to, and they don’t need some elaborate fraud to do that, so your whole conspiracy does not make sense at all.

Did you read any of the linked studies?

did you answer this?

We’re talking about cops, not professionals. The dog’s job is to watch the cop handler and bark when they indicate, but not be too obvious about it.