Cethin

I think the argument is the Steam Machine won’t get that advantage because it’s running Linux out-of-the-box. There’s still some stuff that could be bundled, but I expect it not to do so for money. I don’t think the Deck does.

I’ve heard this so many times. I don’t think so. It’s still going to be more expensive than a cheap corporate desktop that can’t play games, and it’s not going to be that good for compute compared to powerful datacenter hardware. I’m assuming some YouTube said this and everyone is repeating it, but I don’t think it makes sense. The comparison is always made the the PS3, but it’s a very different time and hardware is dramatically different.

I’ve got a lot of privacy stuff, but I also know that I’m being tracked. I’m not using the VPN for privacy though. I’m using it to watch porn, so I don’t really care. If I did want privacy there’s a lot of things I could improve, but I’m not that worried about it.

As for the targeted advertising, I don’t see any of that. I wouldn’t be surprised if that were in French but I wouldn’t know.

No, make a Linux phone. With this compatability layer there’s no more issues of not having enough apps, like what largely killed the Windows phone.

This might not be totally the right definition, but I think it is:

Latin is dead, but we still understand it. There’s no one left who speaks it really, but we know how to use it.

I VPN to Montreal servers. Everything is still displayed in English.

That’s only true if they trust them. If the goal is to ensure they can keep track of dissidents then no.

I learned recently that paper bags on set are made out of a different fabric material that doesn’t make as much noise. It looks fairly good, but now that I know this I can never not see that every bag looks wrong and doesn’t move correctly.

I would recommend Andor to anyone, no matter their opinion on Star Wars. It’s amazing, despite it being SW, not because of it.

I grew up with SW, but I’ve grown to loathe it, especially after the Disney purchase. It’s just gone to shit. There is no care about the universe or the story. All they care about is how they can reference another thing, because for some reason the vocal SW fan base loves that slop.

I get it, but maybe there’s a reason?

When I lost my faith in religion I was annoying because it had wasted so much of my time and effort, as well as causing stress and creating issues where none existed. I wanted other people to feel as free as I did, and it was obvious that it was more reasonable to switch after I had, and it was easy.

When I lost my faith in Microsoft I was annoying because it had wasted so much of my time and effort, as well as causing stress and creating issues where none existed. I wanted other people to feel as free as I did, and it was obvious that it was more reasonable to switch after I had, and it was easy.

Maybe just test your reasoning. Try Linux, or test the boundaries of your faith. See how it feels. Maybe other people have a point, as annoying as they may be.

Personally, I don’t push the religion thing anymore. I don’t feel like it does much good and is a waste of my time. Pushing Linux though? Yeah, that does do good, for the people switching and for the ecosystem. The more people move off of Windows and other closed platforms the more open things become, and the more choices consumers get.

There is no other device with the same hardware. You know there isn’t. I don’t understand why you’re making this up.

This again… Yes there are. Here’s the specs: https://thegamepost.com/valve-steam-machine-full-specs/

The “semi-custom” GPU they said is only firmware. The silicon is off-the-shelf. Everything else is also off-the-shelf. What don’t you get about this? You can buy these parts yourself.

Either it’s bullshit (most likely) or it’s because he surrounded himself with AI-cock sucking yes men. Probably a bit of both.

Alright, I’m done. By the “who made it” comment, I know there’s no reasoning. There’s nothing special about this device! The same amount of energy is used, which means heat, as any other device with the same hardware, and the hardware is just about off-the-shelf. Either the fans turn up, which means noise, or it thermal throttles. There’s nothing here that could change the physics. Valve does not employ wizards.

Being custom allows it to be both small and quiet. Find me another PC in this size, with this much power, that’s as quiet. You can’t.

We don’t know how quite this will be! Even the ones that were shown aren’t necessarily final. Again, you’re making claims without any evidence. I can’t show you something as quite as small, because we don’t know how quite it’ll be. To show you it isn’t anything crazy though, there are fanless PCs that you can get. As powerful? No. As quite? Even more. It’s a trade off. It isn’t magic. If you do something custom you could get even quieter with more power. Just connect a giant copper radiator to it without a fan.

I see you didn’t address the other points I made. Now we’re down to just the one. Whatever. This one is pure speculation, so can’t be disproven.

Im not arguing this will be a bad device. I expect it to be fairly good for the price. It’s just not really going to be something you can’t get elsewhere without Valve, with the exception of Bluetooth resuming.

Look closelier. It’s “semi-custom”.

They clarified, the silicon is off-the-shelf and the firmware is modified. It doesn’t have some “special processor” or anything.

It has everything to do with heat and noise.

What? It being small only means the heat has less room to be removed, so it needs a higher power fan (or thermal throttling). It does have something to do with heat and noise, in that smaller is worse for them. If it’s quite or cool, that’s despite the size, not because of it.

I don’t care to argue about this, but you’re making unfounded claims that this device is somehow special, because it’s made by Valve I guess, and they need to be worshiped? It seems like a nice kit, but it isn’t particularly groundbreaking. It’s just a well designed and put together computer. Most of what it does is the same as any other computer, running Linux/Arch is capable of.

Try it on your desktop in the middle of a game and let me know how that goes.

Oh, you mean application sleep/resume. Yeah, that’s not standard. It’s not hardware-based though. It just needs to offload the data in cache and RAM into storage, then put it back when it’s needed. That’s handled by software, and I would wager on it being available on SteamOS at large, and probably all of Linux, once it’s published.

It’s not, it requires a special processor.

I have not heard about it having a “special processor”. It’s a AMD Zen 4 CPU. It doesn’t seem to have anything special there. Do you mean an additional processor? I haven’t heard any discussion of that. They’ve said they want to add it to the Deck too, so I’m pretty sure you’re incorrect.

Uhhh it has EVERYTHING to do with the hardware?

Their hardware isn’t special. It’s stuff you can buy off the shelf. Sure, choosing efficient hardware is important, but it isn’t exclusive to the Steam Machine/Valve. That’s what I was discussing. Anything extra they’re getting out of it is software and/or firmware.

Not in this compact size.

First, yes, you can, if you make it yourself. Sure, it’s hard, but not impossible.

Second, the size has nothing to do with the efficiency! Sure, it’s nice, but it doesn’t reduce power draw. It’s got the same amount of heat generation as any other computer with the same hardware. Yes, it has a fairly large radiator/heat-sink, but you can get the same size (or larger) yourself if you want.

Sleep/resume, background updates, and efficiency/noise/heat are not hardware features.

Every computer has sleep/resume.

Background updates is a software-based idle mode. It reduces what’s running to the bare minimum and only runs a check for updates/the updater occasionally.

Efficiency/noise/heat are all the same thing and has little to do with the hardware. The hardware they’re using isn’t any more efficient than what you can buy yourself. The software is possibly more efficient (for the Deck it is at least) to reduce power draw/heat/thermal throttling/noise. However, you can get the same yourself with Arch, only installing what you need. It’s not exclusive to Valve.

Yeah, that’s confirmed.

Most of that will be available with SteamOS in general I assume, and also probably, with packages, on any Linux distro. It’s really only HDMI-CEC and wake on Bluetooth that are somewhat exclusive. I don’t know how hard it is to build/add HDMI-CEC into a computer, but maybe that isn’t even exclusive. Wake on Bluetooth, I assume, requires some special hardware to support it, which I don’t think will be available or easily added to other computers.

It also failed. I don’t really think they’re going to be using it as a guideline to follow.