@sem I’m struggling to hear any feedback from other #discourse forums that have implemented it. There seeems to be scepticism from forum administrators that somehow fediverse activity might impact their #moderation but the links to the content on forums are public anyway and just because its federated doesn’t mean someone can actually post/comment in the discourse forum.

@Nephalis @anticonnor Yunohost has a starting point for setting up an instance - yunohost.org/#start @elena is also writing something up.

@Nephalis @anticonnor I think there are two approaches. 1) Start with desktop linux, a vps or raspberrypi to start building linux and networking skills or;
2) start with something more packaged that provides more guidance on delivering services ‘out of the box’ like yunhost - which can provide some things off the rack services and with a templated approach - that then allows you to play around a bit while you learn the basics

@theit8514 @anticonnor I tried to watch one of his videos (it was 20 minutes ) after the first two minutes in before he actually provided any facts. I think it got a bit better. But in terms of starting out with selfhosting I’m not sure where I would start in his videos.

@K3can I then struggled with basic stuff like moving different devices / ports onto different subnets (which I don’t think I had issues with before using my old #BtHomeHub ) I think I lost confidence.

@K3can Oh that is a good suggestion - I think I’ll do that. I struggled to flash the NOR - I think you can only do that from SD Card which then was weird as it wouldn’t start via the SD card and then… and then …

@K3can Ah yeah … so that was a typo … meant to say R4 - I have an R3 as well and am in the same position - (well without the technical capability to actually move things on… I’m completely new to #proxmox and struggling a bit to even work out routing properly) . I actually have two - I just got a second one for a second location that I run a VPN to. But I’m still suck on things like properly flashing #Openwrt (should it be in NAND or NOR?? ) - so in the meantime I have a couple of Dell Micros that I have proxmox on to run random VMs to try out things.

@K3can Someone has installed #proxmox #hypervisor on a #bananapi R3 - forum.banana-pi.org/t/bpi-r4-a… which I thought was quite cool. They then run #openwrt in one vm and could put a home server in other vm/containers

@utopiah One of my thoughts is that Yunohost could be usefully integrated with something like #coopcloud to allow it to add additional server instances to scale the solution - it could either via an application or a component of yunohost itself manage #abra deployment and execution.

Similarly it could reach out to other devices like Routers on your home network and help configure their firewalls, port forwarding etc. - That would make configuring a home server easier - for those that aren’t experienced with these things.

@utopiah You could for instance link Kodi and HomeAssistant by scripting the installation of HomeAssistant when its installed to add the Kodi Plugin - then either install Kodi locally or find it on your local network and pre-configure HomeAssistant to connect to it.

@utopiah No but if you write the application scripts to take account of parameters that you know from the yunohost instance then you can dynamically integrate applications (e.g set the eMail server parameters from yunohost into Nextcloud, configure the single sign on inside Nextcloud to use the Yunohost SSL as well as say getting parameters from one application and using them in the configuration of another)

@K3can Very cool - I think there is promise in Openwrt routers becoming more than just routers - I posted about it here in selfhosted a while back - lemmy.radio/post/10217918

@utopiah #YunoHost, #StartOS, #Cloudron, #coopcloud, #uncloud and the people that write the recipies for the applications running on them are the answer.

Modelled solutions that check for related applications as they install are the way that encourage more people to self host by making installation, configuration, backup, update and removal easier.

@nevodavid Is anyone selfhosting postiz already - or interested in working together to set up an instance?

Given that #cloudflare is down today - it seems to me that the idea of networks of selfhosted CDN / DDOS prevention nodes running on such boxes would be a away of avoiding single points of failure.

@domi No … agree it would’t. My thought was more about helping each other improve deliverability between self hosters - but then overtime a network of self hosted servers that trusted each other might become appealing to Google , Outlook to eventually trust.

@domi @tofu A thought but is there a way to exchange trust with other mailservers to guarantee delivery?

@batmaniam @SelfhostedResearch Completely agree. Its a said state of affairs that we really need ML based filters for our app notifications

@Toasted_Breakfast @Faltsm Garbage in . Garbage out. If the content is focused in applications AI will just relfect that. Its not a thinking function.

And even if its only trained with the best content you still need to know the questions to ask.

@portnull @Toasted_Breakfast I don’t think these self hosting articles are that useful and much more than a list of applications. They send people off in the wrong direction.

They only answer that ‘what do I want/could I do’ but they don’t answer the ‘what device do I want to do it on’ and ‘where do I want to be able to do it’ questions - They also don’t answer the ‘what do I need to learn to do it’ - what do I need to protect my data?

And frankly I think they take the wrong approach when there are now more comprehensive solutions that could put selfhosters in a better position and get them thinking about questions like 'What happens when the cheap laptop I’m running this on dies/house catches fire/ How can I stop someone get into my application - How do I not forget all these passwords? - Sure they are great to play around with but would you really recommend anyone start ouy by spinning up Nextcloud and then putting stuff on it they really don’t want to lose?

Sorry that might sound grumpy… I don’t mean it to be. Its great that people are being encouraged to try - but they should also be really early on talking about things like ‘doing things with a friend or a group of similarly interested people’ (I know that sound weird - but you need offsite backup people … and someone to be able to step in of something happens to you … or things go wrong. (It takes a village to raise a baby)