Communist parties participating in elections, bringing popular policy to the forefront, and radicalizing the working classes? That absolutely works and is absolutely useful.
I have yet to see evidence of that in this country, like, ever at all.
You want to dismantle the system, I get that, but while the system is here I’m going to do functional harm reduction while trying to dismantle it.
This has been a successful strategy in existing socialist states, including the Russian revolution. You aren’t doing “harm reduction,” you’re morally justifying accelerationism to yourself.
Like I said, I haven’t seen evidence for not voting being useful in this country at all, and you’re the one saying Republicans are good for getting people on board with socialism.
Unless you can link me a source for this strategy working here, I think we’re done here
I haven’t seen evidence for accelerationism working in any country, meanwhile communist participation in bourgeois elections has worked in many places for increasing revolutionary consciousness. I don’t know why you’re pretending I said we shouldn’t vote, I explicitly said voting for communist parties is a good thing. For the GOP, I said your argument about organizing being easier under the DNC is wrong, not that voting for the GOP is correct.
As it stands, I have good historical evidence of Lenin being correct, and you have no evidence of accelerationist strategies being correct.
I think you’re lost in the sauce of what I was saying. I’m not for accelerationism.
You still haven’t provided evidence that withholding votes works in this country. You also said that the communist candidates never win, so I don’t see what the point is there.
None of what you’ve said has convinced me that they are viable strategies for my immediate goal, which is to keep the GOP out of power.
You’re arguing for voting for the democrats, which is the more competent party for maintaining imperialism. This is a clearly accelerationist stance, trying to speed up centralization of capital and therefore speed up crisis. Organizing isn’t any easier under the DNC, so this is an accelerationist stance.
As for why we should vote for communist parties, I already explained. This helps raise revolutionary consciousness. That is the point. Electoral politics will never alone establish socialism, so the best use of it is to help raise the conditions of class consciousness.
Your immediate goal being to keep the GOP out of power is missing the campfire for the forest fire around you. You want to keep the more competent genocidal imperialists in power, and that is the focus of your immediate praxis. This is accelerationism masked behind a guise of “harm reduction,” when actual harm reduction is gained through collective struggle and establishment of groups to directly protect marginalized groups. Foreign marginalized groups do not seem to matter to you.
Man that’s some high level mental gymnastics you have to pull off to think that Republicans are better for a communist revolution, better for minorities and better for foreign people.
Plus you said voting for communists doesn’t really do anything.
I’m not convinced you’re doing the right thing, and definitely not convinced to follow suit. You’ve given no evidence to your position whatsoever.
I have yet to see evidence of that in this country, like, ever at all.
You want to dismantle the system, I get that, but while the system is here I’m going to do functional harm reduction while trying to dismantle it.
This has been a successful strategy in existing socialist states, including the Russian revolution. You aren’t doing “harm reduction,” you’re morally justifying accelerationism to yourself.
Like I said, I haven’t seen evidence for not voting being useful in this country at all, and you’re the one saying Republicans are good for getting people on board with socialism.
Unless you can link me a source for this strategy working here, I think we’re done here
I haven’t seen evidence for accelerationism working in any country, meanwhile communist participation in bourgeois elections has worked in many places for increasing revolutionary consciousness. I don’t know why you’re pretending I said we shouldn’t vote, I explicitly said voting for communist parties is a good thing. For the GOP, I said your argument about organizing being easier under the DNC is wrong, not that voting for the GOP is correct.
As it stands, I have good historical evidence of Lenin being correct, and you have no evidence of accelerationist strategies being correct.
I think you’re lost in the sauce of what I was saying. I’m not for accelerationism.
You still haven’t provided evidence that withholding votes works in this country. You also said that the communist candidates never win, so I don’t see what the point is there.
None of what you’ve said has convinced me that they are viable strategies for my immediate goal, which is to keep the GOP out of power.
You’re arguing for voting for the democrats, which is the more competent party for maintaining imperialism. This is a clearly accelerationist stance, trying to speed up centralization of capital and therefore speed up crisis. Organizing isn’t any easier under the DNC, so this is an accelerationist stance.
As for why we should vote for communist parties, I already explained. This helps raise revolutionary consciousness. That is the point. Electoral politics will never alone establish socialism, so the best use of it is to help raise the conditions of class consciousness.
Your immediate goal being to keep the GOP out of power is missing the campfire for the forest fire around you. You want to keep the more competent genocidal imperialists in power, and that is the focus of your immediate praxis. This is accelerationism masked behind a guise of “harm reduction,” when actual harm reduction is gained through collective struggle and establishment of groups to directly protect marginalized groups. Foreign marginalized groups do not seem to matter to you.
Man that’s some high level mental gymnastics you have to pull off to think that Republicans are better for a communist revolution, better for minorities and better for foreign people.
Plus you said voting for communists doesn’t really do anything.
I’m not convinced you’re doing the right thing, and definitely not convinced to follow suit. You’ve given no evidence to your position whatsoever.