• randompasta@lemmy.today
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    1 day ago

    Wrong. US manufacturers have effectively been shut out of China. But not before they made investments that China basically stole.

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      6 hours ago

      effectively been shut out of China.

      Because Chinese won’t buy massive thirsty trucks. Wtf…Tesla was in China before they even started making EVs.

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        12 minutes ago

        There’s a lot of protectionism going on in China, most western manufacturers aren’t allowed to sell their own cars without a Chinese company owning the majority of the partnership. Most countries don’t really have rules like that, China is kinda unique.

        The Chinese actually LOVE big cars. Every other European manufacturer makes long wheelbase versions of their midrange sedans for China exclusively. Space in the back is a status symbol more than comfort up front apparently. And there are a ton of big Chinese crossovers out now. I won’t call them SUVs because they’re not really off road capable, much like most western “SUVs” aren’t these days.

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        8 hours ago

        Depends on what you mean by American. Most assume you are referring to Ford or GM. But Tesla and Rivian are US made. Many are built in the States by non US companies. BMW, Volvo, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, Kia.

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        15 hours ago

        I worked in the government for a bit, national park service if it matters, we were only allowed to use US made vehicles.

        Constant recalls, constant breakdowns, overall unreliable. These were all vehicles that were less than 5 years okd

        I have a 2007 toyota today that refuses to die and has barely needed any work. I’ll probably have it at least another 3 to 5 years at this rate.

        American cars are shit

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          7 hours ago

          Worked at an oil refinery in the US. All the company cars were Ford. They all had various issues such as lights not working, the reverse beeper not working, constant engine light. We would get a loaner ford to replace our fleet ford and the loaner would fucking die. It would be comical if it wasn’t my safety being jeopardized.

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            6 hours ago

            Where car is made is irrelevant. How it is designed and engineered matters. Toyotas made in North America outlast anything designed in Detroit.

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              2 hours ago

              My point is that there’s really not much difference now. I’m betting many car manufacturers are starting to have AI design some parts. So where something is designed matters a lot less.

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            8 hours ago

            Except for the design and almost all the parts. Probably was assembled here

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              7 hours ago

              Many GM and Ford parts are made outside of the US. Possibly only the design and headquarters really separates them. It’s a global supply chain for all companies.

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                6 hours ago

                But Ford is responsible for bad designs like EcoBoost and trucks with plastic oil pans. Peek under a Bronco, many of the steel parts aren’t even painted and body seams are not sealed. Peak 1970s manufacturing.

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          14 hours ago

          American capitalism has rendered companies incapable of producing anything that’s not crap at a scale because they need to maximise profit at all costs, while quality doesn’t mean shit. Every company is Boeing.