See, this is why we can’t have nice things. Money fucks it up, every time. Fuck money, it’s a shitty backwards idea. We can do better than this.
So they pulled a “reddit”?
Oh I didn’t consider deleting my answers. Thanks for the good idea
BarbraStackOverflow.I’d be shocked if deleted comments weren’t retained by them
I think the reason for those bans is that they don’t want you rebelling and are showing that they don’t need you personally, thus ban.
Of course it’s all retained.
Isn’t it amazing that places like this built on user support and contribution turn around and pull a “we don’t need you”?
They think they are too big to die by now. That userbase grows like crops, and isn’t conscious of how it’s being treated.
That’s a bit like monopolists and Ponzi scheme owners think. It works sometimes.
They have been un-deleting after they ban.
Isn’t that illegal in most countries?
In Europe GDPR gives you the right to have all your data deleted. All you do is send in a request and SO has to remove everything of yours, not just anonymize it. There are some exceptions for legal reasons, eg where financial transactions are involved, but comments should not be exempt.
It is still just a “trust us” deal. They say they have deleted it, and all you can do is trust them. They could possibly get into legal troubles if it was shown they were lying, but that could be easily avoided as well.
GDPR is ok, but much of it is based on good actors doing what they should.
IANAL but I thought removing non-PII mostly boiled down to risk since gdpr has big teeth. With a lot of money on the table and a licence attached to post they may feel it’s worth pursuing. They’ve probably been setting up protections for this for a while.
Except it’s not your data anymore. By submitting any content, you transfer the rights to SO.
They are also retained by anyone who has archived them., like OpenAI or Google. Thus making their AIs more valuable.
To really pull up the ladder, they will have to protest the Internet Archive and Common Crawl, too. It’s just typical right-wing bullshit; acting on emotion and against their own interests.
If this is true, then we should prepare to be shout at by chatgpt why we didnt knew already that simple error.
ChatGPT now just says “read the docs!” To every question
Hey ChatGPT, how can I …
“Locking as this is a duplicate of [unrelated question]”
Chatgpt is going to get trained on thinking those two questions are duplicates and end up giving bullshit outdated answers to every question.
And then links to a similar sounding but ultimately totally unrelated site.
Stack overflow was the pioneer of hallucinations.
Nah, it just marks your question as duplicate.
Always love those answers, well if you read the 700 page white paper on this one command set in one module then you would understand… do you think I have the time to read 37000 pages of bland ass documentation yearly on top of doing my actual job? Come the fuck on.
I guess some of these guys have so many heads on their crews that they don’t have much work to do anymore but that’s not the case for most
Already had that happen with perplexity, like, no mate, I’m asking you.
Honestly, that wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
You joke.
This would have been probably early last year? Had to look up how to do something in fortran (because fortran) and the answer was very much in the voice of that one dude on the Intel forums who has been answering every single question for decades(?) at this point. Which means it also refused to do anything with features newer than 1992 and was worthless.
Tried again while chatting with an old work buddy a few months back and it looks like they updated to acknowledging f99 and f03 exist. So assume that was all stack overflow.
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Is this a joke?
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NGL I read it and laughed at the AI-like response.
Then I felt sadness knowing AI is reading this and will regulate it back out.
AI-generated content trained on LLMs is poison for training, so that’s actually a good thing :)
It’s not. This is how this person talks in every comment they make.
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Tough to say. I honestly don’t know. The user name is the classic word_wordNumber that bots use. The comments are long though. But its comments are spaced far apart timewise.
If it’s a joke account it’s doing it rarely.
Comments are clearly ChatGPT I know because I did it once to troll some sub too. I instantly recognize the pirate ‚swashbuckling’ comment in their profile history you get when you type ‚write a funny comment like a Redditor’
The account reads like they’re pasting AI-generated responses to everything. Maybe it’s someone’s experiment. The prompt must include “You are a self-righteous asshole.”
Damn, I read some of their other comments. What a said and weird life this person might have to write wall of texts just to gather dozens of downvotes
Maybe they are a walking ai poisoning attack. I mean the whole person
Check the post history. Dude just seems like an ass.
Yes and it’s very well done which is why 121 people who didn’t get it downvoted it. ha! No good comment, amirite.
Looks like a chat bot instructed to say something contrarian
Hopefully a troll account after looking at other comments but who knows anymore
I took it as a joke because they can just change the rules whenever they want but Idk I might have misunderstood.
Looks like an AI crafted response to me.
Nope, it’s the establishment is cool, elon rocks type.
Nah, but the user is. Their post history is… interesting.
Shit like this makes me so glad that I just don’t sign up for these things if I don’t have to.
30 page TOS? You know what, I don’t need to make an account that bad.
ITT: People unable to recognize a joke
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Letting corporations “disrupt” forums was a mistake.
First, they sent the missionaries. They built communities, facilities for the common good, and spoke of collaboration and mutual prosperity. They got so many of us to buy into their belief system as a result.
Then, they sent the conquistadors. They took what we had built under their guidance, and claimed we “weren’t using it” and it was rightfully theirs to begin with.
At the end of the day, this is just yet another example of how capitalism is an extractive system. Unprotected resources are used not for the benefit of all but to increase and entrench the imbalance of assets. This is why they are so keen on DRM and copyright and why they destroy the environment and social cohesion. The thing is, people want to help each other; not for profit but because we have a natural and healthy imperative to do the most good.
There is a difference between giving someone a present and then them giving it to another person, and giving someone a present and then them selling it. One is kind and helpful and the other is disgusting and produces inequality.
If you’re gonna use something for free then make the product of it free too.
An idea for the fediverse and beyond: maybe we should be setting up instances with copyleft licences for all content posted to them. I actually don’t mind if you wanna use my comments to make an LLM. It could be useful. But give me (and all the other people who contributed to it) the LLM for free, like we gave it to you. And let us use it for our benefit, not just yours.
Begun, the AI wars have.
Faces on T-shirts, you must print print. Fake facts into old forum comments, you must edit. Poison the data well, you must.
I mean we aren’t even fighting AI, we are still fighting greedy little turds
Problem is, it still results in turning the Internet to shit. We just do it manually to preempt the AI doing it.
Reddit/Stack/AI are the latest examples of an economic system where a few people monetize and get wealthy using the output of the very many.
Technofeudalism
It’s very precisely that.
Mmm this golden goose tastes delicious!
https://blog.codinghorror.com/are-you-a-digital-sharecropper/
Interesting article from on of the co-founders of StackOverflow.
You’re forgetting a silly and funny company whose name starts with “G”
I fully understand why they are doing this, but we are just losing a mass of really useful knowledge. What a shame…
Maybe we should replace Stack Overflow with another site where experts can exchange information? We can call it “Experts Exchange”.
codidact … Stack overflow had a mass exodus of mods a 2-3 years ago and a some of them made codidact.
Any discussion on making it ActivityPub enabled?
I didn’t see any, but would be curious if anyone else had.
Expert Sex Change?
Yes, next to Pen Island
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I mean that’s just been a schoolyard joke for ages
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Also a market there. Especially among programmers. You might be onto something.
Among Rust devs? Absolutely!
I agree with your idea. I will be launching a website where users can share content. It will be free once knowledge should be free and we will make money by selling data…umm selling user data…umm selling T-shirts I guess. That should be enough to keep the servers running.
You don’t want that shit done by an amateur
Lemmy could be used as a stack overflow alt also Lemmy is shitification repelent by design .
Maybe there I can ask where to find a good pen supplier.
The enshittification is very real and is spreading constantly. Companies will leech more from their employees and users until things start to break down. Acceleration is the only way.
Accelerationism is like being on a plane and wishing it crashes when one of the engine fails.
I mean, sure but in the context of individual websites I don’t see it being a big deal. There will be replacements, and relatively quickly. Accelerationism applied to major societal structures is a terrible idea though.
That’s a terrible analogy, implying the wish that everyone on the plane dies if one engine fails.
It’s like an airline company has been complete shit for decades, wanting to see them fail fast so that a better airline company can take their place.
Except it’s not like a plane because we can stop using specific websites whenever we like, and build our own websites to whittle away at their hegemony.
Why does OpenAI want 10 year old answers about using jQuery whenever anyone posts a JavaScript question, followed by aggressive policing of what is and isn’t acceptable to re-ask as technology moves on?
