“Quietly™” by posting about it beforehand everywhere they could.
Its become quite a trend with headlines, huh? I guess it implies “we’re airing some dirty laundry, come look!” With the hopes of boosting click-throughs.
Yeah, I hate it bcs it’s just an intentional scam - and since the title is such an easy lie then prob everything is.
How Brave
Much fox,
very lion.
Cool.
Still sticking with uBlock and SponsorBlock (skips all the “this video was sponsored by” segments on YouTube).
Add DeArrow in there as well (anti-clickbait)
I’d love to be able to use it but it completely grinds the website to a halt with large playlists and the creator doesn’t wanna fix it
I wish SponsorBlock and DeArrow were integrated into Invidious, like with Piped.
Freetube has integrated sponsor block (might have to enable it in the settings first). I’ve generally been very happy with the Freetube flatpak, although there have been times when YouTube actively fought against third parties where Freetube did not work for a month.
Thanks! I’ll check out Freetube, though I prefer to use my browser when possible.
Oh, cool. I didn’t know about SponsorBlock!
Doesn’t work with really new videos, but it helps.
Though there are a few creators that do such good ad segments that even those are worth watching. Map Men, Aging Wheels, and lazerpig all come to mind.
With lazerpig, it’s often hard to tell the difference between the subject matter and the commercial…
SponsorBlock
I believe uBlock manages to remove all ads on yt by tickling the subscription of some list bundled in its installation already
SponsorBlock skips past the video segments which contain sponsored advertisement. There’s no overlap with what uBlock does.
ah gotcha, that’s neat
SponsorBlock is not cool. This is the main revenue source of creators.
Adblock on the other hand in a cancer in youtube and has to go.
Sponsors don’t see if you skipped their ad segment.
Citation needed. When you hover over a video’s progress bar, there is displayed a little graph showing something resembling a probability density function for timestamps users most frequently skip to. Advertisers can use this information to determine how likely a user is to sit through a sponsorship for a given channel.
Not that that matters. Don’t feel like you need to watch ads. Advertising is bad in all its forms.
Sure they do.
Edit: I have a YouTube channel. The metrics are exportable. This is not a debate — advertisers often ask for these metrics. They absolutely can see when big channels have high SponsorBlock rates.
Sure they do.
How, exactly, do they see that?
YouTube knows exactly where you start and stop the video, what segments you skip, etc., etc. and the channel has access to those analytics. Not saying that anyone shares that with the sponsors, but the mechanism IS in place.
Not saying that anyone shares that with the sponsors,
That’s my point. The sponsors of individual youtubers don’t have access to that information
I don’t know anything about sponsor agreements. Just because the sponsors don’t have direct access, that doesn’t mean there aren’t other ways for them to get that information.
They don’t require it as they already have metrics and data, by the unique promo code from each ad read. That tells them viewers of X will go to the website and buy something.
But I have never done that, because I don’t buy something because one person I like to watch was paid to talk about it.
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What youtube interface is that?
I don’t remember seeing that.
It’s the default web interface - it doesn’t show on all videos, but in my experience it’s on nearly everything.
Only creators and YT know the numbers and they don’t share it.
The creators sell adventisement space and want the advertisers to know that their channel is a good investment, so the more they can prove to the advertisers that their sponsor segments arent skipped, the more they can charge for it.
Do you have proof it harms them?
Unless you personally click the link and sign up using code WeAreAScam at checkout, they don’t get anything extra. They already have been paid for the ad read.
It’s like saying you’re stealing from a TV station because you took a piss during the ad break.
Youtube does provide info on which portions of videos are the most watched - while most advertisers aren’t the kind of people that do due diligence, quite a few of the big management groups have started introducing contracts that base payout for sponsor reads off of actual watch count. AFAIK it hasn’t made too much of a difference yet (though channels with high skip-counts are less likely to be given the decent sponsor deals) but if youtube makes the analytics easier to access it probably will have a pretty big impact.
Skipping the sponsored segment doesn’t net the creator less money. They’re paid before the video gets uploaded, or at worst by view count iirc.
I’m never removing SponsorBlock until YouTube cracks down on scams being promoted by big yotubers.
So, never.
Are you watching vids of youtubers who promote scams?
So many yt’ers promoted honey, that weird Scottish land certificate thing and betterhelp. I would argue all of those are basically scams.
Oh yeah true I saw a few of those from mainstream people…
The Scottish thing is a scam because they aren’t even legally allowed to sell souvenir plots of land. Like obviously nobody in their right mind thinks it makes you a Lord or Lady, but they don’t even sell you the land!!!
Honey and that one thing that said “oh you can be a Lord if you buy some land in scotland”, among suspicious VPNs and other “problem solvers”.
If they pay to be spoken off, odds are it’s worth your money.
most content creators starts peddling some cringe beliefs at some point, no loss there.
That’s cool, take the good part of Brave, leave behind the villainous CEO and dodgy crypto scams
I used brave for a while. Recently switched to zen browser to try some better tab management. But despite all braves issues, it’s ad/tracker blocking was always very good imo. I think it will be a good addition to Firefox.
I don’t think you can separate a product from their CEO
In the Open Source world you can always fork.
But unless you did that, and actually don’t use the original, the possibility alone doesn’t do you any good
a default-disabled prototype
No wonder it didn’t show up in normal/enduser release notes.
This article suggests you have to disabled Enhanced Tracking Protection to test it. Does it replace that entire system with an equivalent system?
I’ll wait until it’s stable and productive.
What is the progress of Servo and Ladybird?
Why did they not just set ublock as a default installed plugin?
Because the performance of brave lib is a little better since it doesn’t go through the plugin API
So should you use this now? Or keep uBlock origin? Or enable both for maximum protection?
it’s up to you which one you wanna use, I’ll keep using uBlock origin (both is overkill, you only need one for blocking ads)
I guess my question is more, is the “brave” one as good as uBlock? Or does it miss some things? Sounds like performance is better.
My only thought about using both would be if the “brave” version is more performant, but less protective, it could quickly get rid of most of the ads, and let uBlock get the rest, reducing how many are filtered at greater performance cost. But I’m sure that’s based on a gross misunderstanding of how it all works.
Is it? Like YouTube is less laggy with that? Thats the only situation where i see actual delays by adblocking
Yes, it is. No, the delays on Youtube don’t come from the performance of the adblocking code, so you won’t notice many differences. But more efficient adblocking is good for everyone - noticeably more so on devices with batteries, but still helpful for everyone.
I use brave as my YouTube browser and it does seem to perform better than Firefox with unlock. There’s frequently weird delays with Firefox where the ads get through a little and are then blocked(admittedly I probably only update it like once a month). I don’t get that with Brave.
I wonder if that’s the ad blocker or if it’s Chromium.
I never experienced that, only youtube is lagging hard. How much ads you still get probably depends on your location. I dont see any with ublock.
If we are going to eschew open source projects from shitty tech companies, then there’s a pretty long list.
Everyone has their own line, and I don’t begrudge people theirs.
But at the end of the day we all have to function somehow. Nobody’s hands are completely clean.
This can be the main reason:
Mozilla: Anthropic’s Mythos found 271 security vulnerabilities in Firefox
Huh, right after Waterfox started to implement it themselves. Must have spooked Mozilla. I don’t see how using Brave’s adblock engine is all that different from uBlock Origin though since they both just enforce DNS lists, right? Could be wrong, I know nothing about how adblocking works on the backend, lol
DNS lists?
Fuck no brother (or sister or non-binary sibling)Anyway. You can go as far as modifying the HTML page by overriding CSS rules.
Overrode the font on a page I am using at work because the vendor is apparantly not using their own product and the font is fucking tiny in some places.
You can override elements, dynamically remove with a selector wildcard, DNS blocks or subscribe to blocklists that can do all of it.Just for clarification, but do you mean you can automate that stuff? Because FF already has debug tools built in that lets you edit the HTML or CSS of the page however you want, but it’s only for the current session. I’d occasionally use that before realizing I could just use reader mode for sites that did client side html5 bs for access control. Just go in and delete nodes using the picker tool. Until the annoying thing is gone.
I’ve never really played around with ublock’s capabilities, though did know that it must have been more sophisticated than just dns lists to stay in the arms race vs youtube (as well as why google was pushing “security features” that would kill it).
Just for clarification, but do you mean you can automate that stuff?
Yes.
uBlock at its core is really just a scripting system for replacing CSS content using certain rules.
The most common usage is to remove content you don’t like, but really it can manipulate things in a zillion different ways, many of the more advanced features are only available to the user and not larger block lists for security reasons.
You could also use tools like greasemonkey to change the website more permanently
DNS blocking, like with a Pihole, famously does not remove Youtube ads. So no, the mechanism is totally different.
Yeah, I confused DNS lists with block lists I’ve realized, lol. My bad
Firefox actually started developing it first, and Waterfox caught on and decided to piggyback off of it in a relatively small announcement at the bottom of a retrospective. The Waterfox announcement just got reported on first.
the brave one doesnt block as good as ublock origin.
I don’t know how it works either but water fox is the superior browser.
That’s a good thing.
Brave’s native adblock is the best.
uBlock is better
Yeah we have to second this, unlock is way better in our experience
are you plural?
Yeah lol
It’s gonna slip eventually so we stopped giving a shit on not using plural pronouns
yet your username remains singular, curious \s
LMAO touché!
It’s actually related to a fursona (character) we use to help project emotions and self. Though because of DID there are so many different variants and versions it’s hard to keep up even though we all collectively made the character. Hell some of them aren’t even a dog but a human and others- non living (?) <idk personally, I only added the glasses hehe. -pj>
Does that mean yall is a correct pronoun?
We do like that pronoun :3 But we’re a simple She/they 90% of the time
Noice. Hope it doesn’t mean.they want to drop manifest v2 or something.
How incredible i think I’ll start using Firefox again as it’s becoming better i just wish they would create their own email service already.
Very soon ! https://www.tb.pro/en-GB/
Where it stores all the data? USA? Or some Big Tech cloud?
google likely
“Quietly” I saw the article announcing it weeks ago
A built-in ad blocker is better. Hopely Mozilla doesn’t do something stupid with it.
too little, too late
