Post-covid inflation proved to companies that customers will pay up regardless because they want it and they want it now, no matter the price. Hell, we laughed at horse armor but microtransactions caught on anyway. Voting with your wallet doesn’t work because there are an endless swarm of consoomers itching to blow their money on product.
Consent is actually way cheaper to make than a product that’s good for people.
Sad reality
So I was watching JoeFromSeattle and he basically has an observation/theory from repeatedly interacting with these people on Twitter.
… They literally do not count themselves as ‘gamers’, they use the word to identify others.
These are the people who buy Madden/FIFA every year, every COD, every Battlefield, and assume everyone does that, to the point of projecting it without realizing it and then not believing you if you say you didn’t do that as well.
… they are very often illiterate, cannot understand sentences above roughly Grade 5 complexity, always assume they are correct and work backwards to attempt to form a justification for whatever they’ve decided is corrrect.
… they’re morons.
Like just… complete fucking morons.
And that’s not an insult, its simply accurate.
It’s always fun going through Facebook marketplace and seeing consoles for sale with their “game collection” which is just 10 boxes with the yearly iterations of FIFA and CoD.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there and I’ll extend as someone who used to love sports games, I haven’t physically bought one since like Xbox 360 when I think my system was bundled with it. All sports games are digital now because it’s the same goddamn game at this point with roster updates what is the bloody point? Lol
So even then I agree but I don’t think it’s just that they’re morons they are either disingenuous morons or truly stupid because I sense a lot of them are not buying physical media of their FIFA or NBA games anymore.
Used game stores back this up. What you see at used game stores now are the ever popular mainstream shit that has no replay value, where are all the FIFA copies? Oh right everyone downloads now.
You know what you don’t see at gamestop? Elden ring. It’s good. Replay value high.
You know what else you don’t see at gamestop? Clair obscura. It’s new. Physical media is dead.
I appreciate the perspective and refinement of the idea.
Yeah, I’m in the crowd of like, bought a Madden game once, had decent fun with it… and then realized the business model is just ‘add two features, take 2 away’, every fucking year and the whole thing is a scam.
I’m looking for actually new kinds of gameplay, something novel, or maybe a hodgepodge of mechanics tuned or arranged in a new kind of way, or like, absolutely perfected.
Either that or compelling stories and characters, or something with a really distinct art/graphical style.
Like uh, Clair Obscura arguably checks at least most of those boxes for most people… Elden Ring is basically the ‘perfected’ version of Dark Souls, etc.
But yeah… either disingenuous or just truly stupid, as you put it.
Corporate Serfs is the word you may be looking for
I’m sorry but if you’re not playing at least one of those games every year, you are the minority. Those people who constantly buy and play games are more of a “gamer” than a judgemental arse like yourself. Those games you criticise are by FAR the most played and bought games every year, played by tens of millions of people - the majority of gamers.
People like you give “gamers” a bad name.
You just proved their point…
Nothing I said remotely proves his point.
How are they giving gamers a bad name? Even assuming they’re wrong, how does that work? They give gamers a bad name because they got a statistic wrong? Makes no fucking sense.
They’re gatekeeping gaming and calling people who don’t interact with games the way they do morons. It’s childish and, whether it’s wrong or not, rude. The upvotes are what gives gamers a bad name, though, not his statement.
They just called the MAJORITY of the video game buying population “fucking morons”, and “nOt ReAl GaMeRs” because they have a different opinion to them, even though that opinion is the overwhelmingly popular opinion.
You don’t see how that gives “gamers” a bad name? Gatekeeping “gamers” to the tiny minority of people who buy physical games, don’t buy the biggest and most played games, and calling everyone else a fucking moron?
Ahahah!
No, no… you can’t read that well, can you?
Try again buddy, go … slower this time, understand how qualified statements work, and keep in mind the entire context of what I said.
You’ve concluded that I said a whole bunch of things that I did not say.
Apparently I’ve triggered you quite seriously… I wasn’t intending to, but uh… yeah, try again, try to read the words that I actually said.
If your first rebuttal has you calling someone “triggered”, while offering no counter points, it’s safe to say you have already lost.
Got it, understood, you can’t read.
Sorry about that for you, good luck with life.
You’re basically just following the “what to say when you’re losing an online argument” guide 🤣
Officially the first account I block on lemmy. Ain’t no way this isn’t AI-generated rage bait.
Oh no, whatever will I do……
I don’t understand why people are piling on and blocking you. The comment you’re replying to is whiny gatekeeping with a name-calling bow on top. They accuse this group of excluding themselves from “gamers” while calling them stupid and criticizing the way they entertain themselves. I don’t know that I’d want to be in a group that talks about me like that, either.
Oh my god one of you actually showed up!
I’d ask you what its like to so thoroughly lack self awareness, but unfortunately, you wouldn’t be able to tell me, by definition.
Also just no, your ‘facts’ are bullshit.
You know what category of games consistently earn the most revenue?
Mobile games. Cell phone games. That’s over half of the money getting spent on video games.
The majority of gamers, people who play video games, people who spend money on video games… they play gacha games on phones… they’re not perennial Madden/FIFA/COD players.
So if you don’t have a gacha game waifu… you’re actually in the minority too.
So yeah… fundamentally ignorant, extremely overconfident… wanna check any more of those boxes, buddy?
Just imagine me bouncing a ball off of your forehead repeatedly, I’m sure that’ll put you in the right mind state for this.
We’re talking about console and pc players, not mobile. Did you not know that they are separated out in all of the reports? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No. We are not.
And no, they are not.
You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
I mean, I play a lot of video games. I don’t identify as a gamer mostly because of the gamergate bullshit connotations.
That’s exactly it. It used to just mean “People who played games.” Then it got soiled and politicized.
So to their point, yeah, there’s huge groups of people that don’t care about “gamer problems” because they don’t see themselves as “those people”, even as they…buy and play lots of games.
They sell us out as well as themselves, and are completely oblivious to the consequences.
you’re making a lot of faulty assumptions, primarily that people who either don’t play or identify as gamers do not care about problems in gaming.
There’s a distinction between gamer and capital G Gamer
Do not preorder anything ever
Especially digital stuff. What are they going to do, run out of bytes?
Cyberpunk 2077 was the last game I’ll ever pre-order. I’m more of a wait for the complete edition to go on sale kind of guy now.
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Yepp I learned that lesson with Destiny 2
Oh I’ll preorder from soft games. Preorder when you trust the source and they don’t have a history of fuckery.
I get what your saying, but companies will cash out your trust for money eventually, just a matter of them needing a good quarter
100% but I’d like to think companies tend to telegraph their bullshittery enough in advance that unless you have blinders on you’ll see it
I just pre-ordered fallout 6!!! Even though fallout 5 will never see the light of day /j obv
People have the power to shut down bad practices if they had even a modicum of restraint. They don’t, so here we are.
It’s kind of disheartening not having solidarity as consumers. It also feeds this kinda FOMO because you showed restraint and are missing out on something.
I’ve come to terms with this. I view fomo content as disrespectful and I do not support the companies that use it as a tactic.
I missed out on Helldivers 2 because I’m on Linux now and I’m NOT putting that shitty kernel-level rootkit on my system over a game.
Which really sucked, having enjoyed Helldivers 1 a ton, and seeing all my Steam friends playing it. :(
Last I heard HD2 works fine with proton hotfix
Nice! Buuut what about “n protect gameguard”? Does it sandbox it or…?
This might just show how little I know, but how would it be running kernel level Anticheat? Steam isn’t running as sudo and I assume that you’d need those permissions. I thought games that required kernel anti-cheat simply didn’t work on Linux.
Well there have been some strides. Games using EAC (Easy Anti-Cheat) seem to work fine now. EAC tends to be more acceptable because it’s well known that it shuts down as soon as the game is quit.
A lot of these other solutions like Riot’s thingy or whatever Battlefield 6 uses, seem to enjoy (and insist upon) running even while the game isn’t, which is positively sus.
So yeah in the case of Nprotect, I really don’t know. I’ve heard on Windows it’s pretty invasive and jank though, with the usual security assurance of “Lol just trust us bro.”
It’d be neat if it would be contained on a Linux system but also…wouldn’t that void the point? It seems they wouldn’t be satisfied with allowing Linux players if that were the case.
The uncertainty is the frustrating part. =\
People are desperate to latch on to any morsel of media that can distract them from our burning planet, our exploitative society, and their resultant miserable life
Thats why they dont have control, they need this desperately
Idk how this was downvoted. This plays an extremely heavy influence on people’s decisions.
No one wants to hear it because its them too
At some point though you have to accept that if the vast majority are ok with something, it’s probably not an actual issue.
You don’t have to like it or agree with it, and you have the ability to vote with your wallet. Digital only people have been voting with their wallet for years, and physical copy buyers haven’t.
This is a defeatist mindset.
Most people accept the enshittification of the world because they do not know better or they just go with the flow. This is why we have so many problems outside of gaming as well.
Most people weighed up the pros and cons of digital vs physical, chose digital, and haven’t looked back. There is no “do not know better”. Hundreds of millions of people think digital is better. Pc has been all digital for an eternity and it’s been going great.
"oh it’s popular, so it must be okay’
What an utterly braindead take.
It’s more like “Over 90% of people chose this path by their own free will, and are happy enough with it that they choose to continue doing it rather than stop, so it’s not inherently bad like I think it is”.
Only someone who is brain dead could not understand that.
You’re literally engaging in the popularity fallacy. You’re an braindead idiot who just wants to suck corporate boot.
Word of advice: when you start quoting a fallacy, you’re wrong almost every time.
Oh look, more fallacious logic.
You’re two for two.
I’m out. I know that it wont amount to much in the grand scheme of things. I switched from a pure Playstation background (owned 1 through 5 on release day and had hundreds of games for each generation) over to PC. I wont partake in this, and I have spent thousands of hours with GTA.
Between Playatation being shitty and now Rockstar being extra shitty, I’m out.
Kind of random but I hope they do the game comparisons not just with GTA 4 & 5 but also GTA clones like Watchdogs or even Cyberpunk 2077.
For all the graphical “upgrades” we’ve gotten, the physics and dynamic open world has fallen far behind.
What’s the point of all that graphic fidelity if NPCs still act like scripted bots from Skyrim?
I was an adventurer too, until I took an arrow to the knee.
GTA 6 won’t come out for Linux. So not buying it is easy
AFAIK, Rockstar usually releases for PC a year or more after consoles. I believe GTA 5 will run on Linux with story mode, but not online mode due to the anti-cheat rootkit . Is there an indication that 6 will be different?
LPT is always in the comments
GTA is the exact same formula since GTA3.
Sure you get a different story, visual upgrades, and some newer cars. But you’re not paying for a new gaming experience, it’s essentially become what people made fun of CoD or Nintendo games for.
In that sense you’ll get the same thrills from past games. That’s also why I didn’t give a shit about anything past 3, because I like to play new games not reskins.
I think it’s only survived because it is in this niche of socially acceptable “cool” games. You can admit to playing GTA to almost anyone and your not as much a “gamng nerd”, but if you like a fantasy RPG your some basement dwelling dweeb. Honestly they are not all that different from each other.
different story, visual upgrades, newer cars
Just spitballing here, but isn’t that like 90% of what makes a game? Or at the very least, literally any sequel?
Replacing “cars” with whatever is game-appropriate, of course
My idiot brother learned the term “fetch quest” and then snobbed himself right out of gaming. He couldn’t see anything happening around “go here, interact with mcguffin, go back”
The family grew up loving Sierra games, especially stuff made by the Coles, so I don’t know where he got that.
Technically correct. Why play any other game if you’ve played Fallout? It’s all going somewhere to get a thing to do a thing! I’ve been screwed this whole time!
Let’s also not forget that much of the talent that built GTA from 1 to 5 left Rockstar and did not work on 6. So there’s no reason to believe it will even be as good as the rest of the series has been.
Source?
What percentage of developers stayed from 3 to 4? 4 to 5? 5 to 6?
We know next to nothing about GTA6. It could be a revolutionary game for all we know. It could be the greatest game of all time.
Its going to be middle of the road
A very pretty very expensive game
Big. Large. Empty
Go to point A then point B shoot these guys that just spawned in… Oh you thought the huge open world would allow you to do interesting stuff? No you Just do the same as back in 2003. But now in
4K900P upscaled 30fps lockedMaybe, maybe not. We don’t know, that’s my point.
Rockstar has not deviated since the PS2 why would they now
You think they’ve done nothing but “go here shoot bunch of guys” since the PS2?
I still haven’t played GTA 4 or 5. I own them (got 'em cheap long after release) but I haven’t gotten around to playing them yet. Maybe by the time I have GTA 6 will be a reasonable price.
Remember the words of Guybrush Threepwood:
They’re fine.
The hype is inordinate
I felt GTA V was boring, and it had unnecessary glamorisation of criminal life. The story was also pretty mid.
I really liked GTA IV, especially the DLCs, the story is intertwined with the three characters really well. The driving was much more realistic in 4.
I don’t have the GTA IV DLCs. Just the original PS3 disc.
I could have sworn it was Elaine
edit well that’s not what i was expecting but i’m leaving itLOL was gonna say that doesn’t sound like Stan 😂
Is rockstar owned by Sony?
I’m down with a boycott. Let’s do it.
This is how it will go:
Probably. A man can dream of successful collective action though.
Hold on, we need a boycott song. We want it about gta or boycotts?
edit i’ve decided. can’t go wrong with buffalo springfield
Did I miss something or is gta not associated with Sony at all besides being console first for a while?
They announced that they’re not releasing a disc version just a few days before sony announced they were going to phase out discs for the playstation.
Thank, I didn’t know that
They’re both going diskless/digital downloads for games.
I’m not sure why we’re surprised.
This entire gen has had spotty coverage of physical games at the best of times. Even on the biggest titles.
Just off the top of my head BG3 wasn’t even available on disc, and Indiana Jones was only in some overpriced collector’s edition.
I guess the odd way GTA6 is putting a code in a box is grabbing the headlines, rather than it just not being available on a disc.
It’s still a pretty big deal because rockstar games are huge and some people still have bad internet. I probably wouldn’t have bought RDR2 on PS4 if it didn’t have a physical copy of the game, precisely because I was keeping that console at my parent’s place to have something to do there despite their terrible internet connection.
I trust the “code in a box” even less than a digital download, honestly. I’ve had similar things where it just said my code was invalid, and it was WAY more of a PITA to get it rectified than it should have been. If you ever go that route, keep the receipt!
I think it’s more that we still think of consoles as something you put media into. We have all but abandoned physical media on PCs for over a decade now. I love not having to deal with finding space for discs, but I don’t trust anything anymore so I feel like it’s only a matter of time before I lose access to things I bought
Gamers are so impatient these days. I guess all that instant access via online platforms has spoiled them.
I still remember when you ordered physical games via mail and had to gulp actually wait a 1-2 weeks for delivery.
Either that or actually go into a store.
Back then you really looked forward to a game and you actually played and finished it. Also, patches or updates were either rare or non existent depending on the platform, so Devs actually had to release a complete game. There were no DLCs, there were expansion packs, if anything.
I never understood people who need to have a game or a piece of hardware on release day. There will always be bugs. When it comes to hardware, I always wait for at least one revision, before I pull the trigger. As for games, I no longer pay more than 20€ for a game. It’s on my wishlist, I only care about the single player experience, my backlog is huge, sales happen all the time,… I can wait.
I guess all that instant access via online platforms has spoiled them.
And FOMO. I think many active gamers follow youtubers and other gaming content on social media, so they’re afraid of spoilers too.
I don’t think the “no patches” thing was all that true for PC games. I’ve been gaming since the first Fallout and for practically every game I could/had to download one or more patches from the official website. For multiplayer games like Warcraft 3 you had to make sure everyone was using the same patch. One of the major advantages of Steam was automating the update process.
I’ve been gaming since the late 80s. This was before people had internet. Patches for games were very rare on PC back then. If anything, the developer had to re-release a game to stores. Consoles of course didn’t really get that capability until the PS3 era.
When CD-ROM games became common people still only had dial-up internet, if at all and patches were very rare back then.
It was just a different mindset back then. Companies actually took the time to polish their games before release.
It’s been that way for a while, but before the usenet turned into the internet it was hard to download shit. Especially compared to now
Rockstar peaked with Red Dead Redemption 2.
They peaked with their last game they released? And you know this how?
Because the GTA remastered trilogy was a joke and Rockstar had several notorious employment issues in the 8 years since RDR2 released.
I mean it’s entirely possible they could rebound but this game has every rug pull flag written all over it.
Rockstar didn’t make the remastered trilogy.
Rockstar peaked with Table Tennis.
True next gen game
Unironically their best game. All my friends though it’s a joke when i wanted to play withe them.
