cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/9388376
Tweto by https://x.com/gaijingirl2026/status/2092235861265924137
Americans are by far the most selfish, brutish, violent and evil people to ever exist. As long as they get their treats they are totally ok with murdering millions of people and destroying the ecosystem while lecturing you that they’re doing all they can. Shithole country for shithole people. Death to America.
After reading remarks from libs on Lemmy, I want to point out two things:
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No significant number of leftists would vote for a real estate mogul turned fascist gameshow host. If you believe otherwise, it’s likely because it makes thinking about the US political situation easier by giving you another illiberal fall guy.
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Voting in the US is a pastiche of democratic participation, made to look like we’ve been handed all we need to make the democracy machine go brrr. We revere it so much because it’s the best we’ve ever had, but other braver and more imaginative people have tried more direct, less capitalistic methods of democracy, usually before being crushed, libelled, bombed or couped by the US and its allies. If Americans ever find the backbone to collectively fight and make sacrifices for something better, future generations might have a chance of not growing up in the most grotesque, inhuman future imaginable. Libs can help with this, but you’re the only ones who can decide whether you put your efforts toward capitalism or democracy. They’re like oil and water.
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Libertarians: I will have sex with this child. Then crush it due to no non-aggression pact.
You have to vote for them because another guy would crush the child even more.
You forgot the most important part, which is when the mayonated individual gets a bit of blood spattered on its clothing from the foreign child crusher, which makes it 100000000x angrier at foreigners than it already is.
To be fair the conservative rapes the child before crushing it
Epstein was just as tight compadres with Bill Clinton.
True but republicans are constantly being arrested for pedophilia
is that… supposed to be an argument?
Just pointing out an observation
Ah, so you’re a moderate.
Not wanting to commit genocide is a pretty moderate position, sure.
But you see, both sides bad. There’s no nuance.
“Both sides” its the same side dumbass.
Nuance my ass. Nuance in politics when mentioned by fool like you is akin to people screaming “let people enjoy things!” when someone dares say their Marvel slop sucks.
You rigidly support the democrats no matter what and you screech at any critique, no matter how correct. Yeah, seems real nuanced.Nuance isn’t just when you support genocide, but feel kinda bad about it. Nuance definitely isn’t when you reduce the modern capitalist oligarchy into a binary, with no other options. Real nuance is a discussion of abstaining from voting vs. Voting third party.
Yeah sure, so both sides are bad, Trump is equally bad as Bernie and Mamdami. Got it.
Glad you finally understand.
Like I said, no sense of nuance.
This is the problem we have on the left, people only want perfect allies and perfect representatives, and can never have anything that’s incremental or just ok. It’s like dealing with a spoiled princess, nothing is ever good enough.
“Oh hey this person wanted to make their city better so they ran for office” NO THAT’S BAD THEY ARE ALL BAD AND SHOULD BERN WITH ETERNAL BERNING!
If we keep playing purity politics we’ll also end up with nothing and no one.
Lmao talk about lack of nuance and then create this strawman
Hitler was considered lesser evil. So this comic makes even less sense.
Edit: I’ve had that completely wrong in my mind
But he wasn’t, it was the recently elected social democrat president Hindenburg who appointed Hitler as chancellor thus granting him his rise to power. The liberal society of the Weimar Republic viewed Hitler as more evil, but chose the “lesser evil” of SPD over the Communist Party’s candidate, who promptly appointed Hitler as chancellor.
Hindenburg hated the Social Democats, what are you talking about?
Oh, whoops. He was independent, supported by every liberal party including the socdems. Point still stands, though: lesser evil was voted in over greater evil, changing nothing and leading to Hitler anyhow. Oversimplification of history obv; corporate lobbying, false flag operations to blame the communists and the death of the president etc followed.
All the bureaucracy is suddenly smooth sailing when they want to bomb the fuck out of kids in the middle east, but all these weird rules and regulations are in the way of anything remotely challenging their interests.
Weird how democracy works that way. Almost like that’s the point!
So true lol. “Think about the long term consequences of raising wages by 1%!!!”
Gee, we’re so sorry, but we’d have to draft up a new bill and then vote on it and then in 1+ years when that bill doesn’t pass we will have to draft up a shittier one that still won’t pass
But the parlimtarian!
This is just straw, you didn’t even bait it
My god it’s even from Twitter
It really needs to have the panels expanded. Each panel should also have a “domestic child crushing machine” and the D one would not be going and the R would be crushing away.
That’s way more accurate to the real world.
The dems are also running a domestic child crusher. You people just don’t notice or care until a republican is in charge.
Look I’m not saying Dems are awesome, in fact I would say when it comes to foreign policy them and Republicans are pretty aligned. Behaving like there hasn’t been huge differences in policy, legislation, enforcement priorities, regulation, education and healthcare spending between Democratic and Republican majorities in Congress and/or President is insane though. Like just head in the sand ignoring reality levels of crazy.
Buddy, i live in California and vote left of demo when possible. The Dems here actually want the status quo of homeless children as long as property values keep going up. Insanity
Sweet. Ableism. Funny how you types resort to it so easily.
Behaving like there is some huge difference between them is what is “head in the sand crazy.” The reasons for this observation have been listed throughout this thread, yet oddly enough none of you people manage to engage with any of the many comments giving explicit examples, nor do you manage to engage with any of the comments detailing the worldview. Which is odd. Its almost like you’re just here to argue and dont actually care about this at all.
Or maybe you just can’t handle investigating your own ideology or the faulty notions you hold.
“It should clarify that the lives of foreign children don’t matter compared to domestic ones!”
Free Palestine, Joe Biden and the Democratic party are guilty of genocide
you didn’t even bait it
Idk, looking at the votes and comments i think i bait it pretty good
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How is it a strawman? Liberals will and do vote for a party operating the foreign child crusher, if that party has more decorum and civility that the other party that would operate the foreign child crusher
Here’s the non strawman version of the top panel:
“I will operate the foreign child crusher in a way which will perhaps lead to less foreign children being crushed. What’s that? Dismantle the child crusher? This is not politically feasible you should be more reasonable.”
Remember to add that no one cares about the child crusher when a democrat is in charge
The bottom one is likely to destroy the child crushing machine by being inept. The top will keep it maintained for decades to come.
“I threw too many children in at the same time and now the gears are all gunked up :(”
“We should start a domestic education program allowing the working class to learn how to clean the gears for free if they spend 4 years rounding up kids to throw in there”.
I see some libs are angry with this. Lmao (Republicans can also go fuck themselves)
Republicans are libs too, in that they too support the continuation of the child crusher that is capitalist hegemony. Leftism begins with anti-capitalism. The US has two pro-capitalist parties with different branding, much like Pepsi and Coke.
The US has two pro-capitalist parties with different branding, much like Pepsi and Coke.
Sorry, but to have them understand better it’s better to have them understand in burger talk
So imagine Mcdonalds and Burger King…
No no, Pepsi and Coke is an amazing analogy. Red vs. Blue, hundreds of years of brand loyalty, people say shit like “we’re a Pepsi household”, both are really not good for you. Only meaningful difference is the color on the label.
Comparing McDonald’s to Burgerking is just crazy talk because everyone I’ve ever met will agree that Burger King sucks. But start them on Pepsi VS. Coke? You might start a fight.
No no, Pepsi and Coke is an amazing analogy. Red vs. Blue, hundreds of years of brand loyalty, people say shit like “we’re a Pepsi household”, both are really not good for you.
ok, that’s a good argument lol, can’t argue against that.
Not sure if I am angry, or just resigned that we will always have Trump like figures in office so that some voters can feel morally superior.
I personally think the moral thing to do it vote for the first comic if that is the choice on election day. In reality no 2028 Dem candidate will be like Biden on foreign affairs, and there will be much more accountability if Dems simply take the House and Senate compared with zero accountability on foreign affairs today.
In reality no 2028 Dem candidate will be like Biden on foreign affairs.
Kamala ran on having the same policies as Biden. What makes you think the next one won’t?
Kamala? The candidate picked by Biden and no one else had the same views as Biden? Wow!
Yeah, Kamala, the candidate who had the entire DNC apparatus working all the tricks of the trade in order for her to get the nomination, that one. What makes you think the next candidate won’t also be a ghoul?
Because no one could possibly be as poor a candidate as Kamala. You make it sound like a neoliberal conspiracy…what I remember was desperation and incompetence.
Once again. Your reasoning is why I am fully prepared to have Trump’s entire family run the country for a couple decades, give Israel open reign to do whatever they want, and for a bunch of non-voters pretending to care about Palestinians continue to sabotage themselves.
70% of Democrats want to stop funding Israel. Trump fights Benjamin Netanyahu’s wars for him. But they are exactly the same.
Newsome would be as bad as Kamala
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Because no one could possibly be as poor a candidate as Kamala.
Which dems have sufficiently different positions on foreign affairs?
70% of Democrats want to stop funding Israel. Trump fights Benjamin Netanyahu’s wars for him. But they are exactly the same.
USian dems have always been zionist, and they were no less enthusiastic about this than the current USian administration.
What are these mythical dems that supposedly want to stop applying Pissrael?I have no idea what your cute nicknames are referring to. Sufficiently different opinion? Literally everyone who didn’t want to go to war for Benjamin Netanyahu…which is everyone but Trump. Or how about anyone not dumb enough to send their son in law to solve middle easy peace. Night and day difference to anyone paying attention.
There’s plenty of high-ranking, influential, democrats that could be as influential as Kamala, why are you acting like Biden '20 and Kamala '24 was some fluke? And why are you singling out Netanyahu? Its not just these three people, its quite obviously the whole structure.
Republicans are just more honest about their immorality and self-centered sociopathy. 🤷♂️
With themselves, even. Republicans let it out, liberals make a perverse game of almost never letting it out.
Choose one:
- a kick in the balls and a taco.
- a kick in the balls, acid to the face, and shot in each leg.
Both sidesists:
See! See! They’re exactly the same! They’re both gonna kick us in the balls!
These metaphors don’t actually explain anything, and are generally used to avoid having to explain, because to do so would be difficult.
Is the taco coming from all the immigrants the democrats deported? They even ran on being tougher on immigration than Trump. They deported more people than he did. Is that where the taco is coming from?
Choose one:
- a polite foreign child crusher
- a rude foreign child crusher
Libs:
How dare you point out that polite people are crushing children? You must think I shouldn’t vote for anyone! It’s very important to never improve things, foreign children be damned!
Not that it really matters, because I’m not a liberal, I’m a leftist, but I (and more importantly, my liberal friends) have no problem criticizing democrats for supporting Israel. So go ahead and point that out all you want. I’ll 100% agree with you that they are just as bad as republicans on that issue. The problem I have is when someone reduces the parties down to their stances on one single issue. (In case that wasn’t incredibly obvious from my first comment.)
- Both bomb kids
- Both support genocide
- Both support imperialism and colonialism
- Both screw over the working class to help out their rich friends
- Both openly lie about how they are going to fix things
- Both leverage military and intelligence agencies against their own citizens
The problem I have is when someone reduces the parties down to their stances on one single issue.
The “foreign child crusher” in this comic is doing a lot of heavy lifting, for a lot other problems.
Democrats are, for the most part, pro union. They are the only ones supporting Medicare for all. They actually support science and education. They support social safety nets like social security and SNAP. They support gun regulations. They support foreign aid. They support safe access to abortions. They support LGBTQ rights.
Life is demonstrably worse under republican policies for the working class. I’d love it if third parties were an option, but they’re just not. Pretending like things will get better if we just let republicans win is not helping. They are literally turning the US into a fascist police state.
When one party is fine with me, if a little wary because I’m way further left than they are, and the other part literally wants to kill me and people like me, I see it as a pretty big difference.
Joe Biden broke up the rail strike and the democrats have a long history of weakening unions, this is the dumbest most ahistoric shit I’ve read yet.
Im not gonna bother with the rest of your gish-gallop bullshit except to point out that Roe v. Wade was overturned under a democrat president and it was NEVER codified even when they had run on doing exactly that.
Biden is pro union because he said so. /s Stop judging him by his actions. /s He lost reelection because of failing health. /s His appointee, Mrs. Harris, lost the election due to her laugh and not continuing his unpopular policies. /s
Consider USAID as an example of a machine that keeps doing work regardless of the current office holders. Machines to crush children are part of the system. I acknowledge there were some good outcomes from US soft power. However, the child crushing machine continues to crush children even when the people actuating the lever change.
Its pretty affirming to see all the people bemoaning the loss of USAID, only to, at best, make a vague gesture towards “some accussations” of wrongdoing. Just constantly showing they asses.
Democrats are, for the most part, pro union.
Is this a joke?
They are the only ones supporting Medicare for all.
Except for Palestinians.
They support gun regulations.
Except for Israelis
They support foreign aid.
To arm the modern Holocaust.
Life is demonstrably worse under republican policies for the working class.
Please demonstrate that the Palestinian working class have it worse.
They are literally turning the US into a fascist police state.
The democrats were already supporting the modern Holocaust
When one party is fine with me, if a little wary because I’m way further left than they are,
“Genocide is fine with me”
the other part literally wants to kill me and people like me, I see it as a pretty big difference.
“Palestinians are objects, not people”
All of these are so funny. “They’re turning the us into a fascist police state”
NEWSFLASH, ASSHOLE! ITS BEEN ONE THE WHOLE TIME. Obama was the one to make the patriot act.
Democrats are, for the most part, pro union.
True, Joe Biden finally ended the Amtrak worker strike—wait that’s not pro-union!
Democrats are, for the most part, pro union. They are the only ones supporting Medicare for all. They actually support science and education. They support social safety nets like social security and SNAP. They support gun regulations. They support foreign aid. They support safe access to abortions. They support LGBTQ rights.
No they dont. They campaign on supporting these things, but when they have power, they don’t do anything about them at best.
When they had a majority under Biden and Obama, when did they set up Medicare for all? When did they codify abortion rights?
And lets look at their foreign aid:
- Support for genocide
- Support for dictators
- Support for warlords
Life is demonstrably worse under republican policies for the working class.
And life got demonstrably worse under democratic policies for the working class and for people living in other countries.
Pretending like things will get better if we just let republicans win is not helping. They are literally turning the US into a fascist police state.
When did I say that we should let republicans win? I’m pretty sure I never did. The democrats are helping the republicans turn the US into a fascist police state. Remember when Obama increased mass surveillance? Remember when Biden increased funding to the military, ICE, DHS, cops, and helped build out the border wall? Remember when they both mass-deported and tortured people?
When one party is fine with me, if a little wary because I’m way further left than they are, and the other part literally wants to kill me and people like me, I see it as a pretty big difference.
Well, that may be the difference between us. I’m pretty far to the left of the Democrats, because I think things like rape, torture, and murder are bad. I see both parties actively supporting those things happening to people like me, and people unlike me. But I guess that doesn’t matter to you as long as they aren’t going after you.
Oh, you aren’t living in reality, you just believe whatever they tell you on the evening news. It makes more sense now.
The parties have been reduced down to their stance on this one issue because they can’t even differ there. They both suck on all issues, but a lot of people would still vote for democrats if they could just not commit overt genocide.
They “can’t even differ there”? How about republicans want to strip my friends of the right to go into the correct bathroom, or play sports, or have a job, or get the medical care they need, or have the right identifier on their ID, or be treated fairly by their own government. Democrats don’t. That’s a pretty huge difference.
Ah yes Democrats famous for giving a shit when roe v Wade was overturned. Democrats whose candidate had one thing about trans people handling persecution: “They should follow the law”
Democrats whose main takeaway from losing once again was that they were too woke on the gender stuff. They do fuck all about republicans which is the same as supporting it, which a large amount of them do as well. But im sure voting for them despite them working against you and yours will surely result in something good and not at all push them towards even more depraved goals. Like genocide. Which they are committing. I wonder what the next red line will be?So because democrats haven’t stopped republicans from being so shitty when republicans have power, I shouldn’t vote for them, and just let republicans have more power? I’m not following your logic.
RvW was overturned under the USian dem government, after decades of promising to codify it, and at a time when all of the relevant judges could have just been replaced.
Yes, it is clear that you aren’t following the logic. Maybe some context will help: The democrats support republican policies when they are in power.
Also, who said that you should “just let the republicans have more power”? I didn’t see anyone even suggest that.
You people keep acting as if you’re being told to roll over and accept defeat. Nobody is saying that. What people are saying is “voting for the lesser evil doesn’t work. Its such a dogshit strategy that there isn’t any difference between those two parties anymore.” And somehow you take that to mean there’s nothing to be done. If you are really so hellbent on voting being the only thing you can do, then at least vote for a third party. But really you ought to be doing more than that.
The absolute very best case scenario for a democrat is that they do fuck all. Most of them are far worse than that. They are typically doing the exact same shit as republicans, but no one gives a shit because they’re not overt. I am not an accelerationist, so I dont believe its a good idea to concentrate power in the hands of capitalists, so I won’t vote for the more competent managers of empire.
In the case of a best-case democrat, you’re also making things worse by voting for them, because your vote legitimises their inaction. Every election were democrats have won has been an election that normalised the monstrous. It didnt use to be like this, that you could just shell out cash for cops and child killers. You didnt use to just be able to hand out massive fracking contracts or senselessly pursue brinksmanship without anyone calling you out for the rabid warhawk that you were. Now it doesn’t matter. John Kerry ran on being the better guy for the war in Iraq. Obama won his second term on the back of all his warmongering. It wasn’t always like this. Decades of the lesser evil has lead us down this path, decades of “well we have to vote for them just this once, its the most important election dont you know” has put us where we are now. It clearly observably does not work.
The very best of the democrats is just a republican a few election cycles behind. And most of them are far below par.
Voting for them gives them legitimacy, its not a harmless action.And of those that are the very best, they quickly get engulfed and integrated by the machine, turned into the next generation of managers of empire.
Doesn’t seem like you really know how to read, tbh.
Famous republican Joe Biden
Democrats support stripping the right of people to live. Democrats support stripping the right of people not to be raped by dogs. Oh but they’re not your person friends, and you’re the protagonist of reality and people you don’t care about don’t matter
I’m not a liberal, I’m a leftist
“I don’t agree with Hitler on the death camps, but that’s just one issue, obviously I still support him!”
The meme didn’t say they were the same, they said they both crush children. People gotta come with a list before it’s okay? Not great for memes.
(It’s not just Palestinian children either btw)
They’re literally drawn as the same person with different colors.
Do you not understand meme comics either? Jesus Christ…
They are also drawn with speech bubbles demonstrating their differences.
Which does not include any concrete difference in policy
Yeah funny, i wonder why that is
How detailed does a meme have to be?
The meme heavily implies that the only difference is that one is polite and one is rude, which is not the only difference.
They both operate the exact same Palestinian child crushing machine, but one also operates a number of additional child crushing machines. People didn’t support the lesser evil because they’re more polite, they do it to keep those additional child crushing machines from operating.
Idk, it’s kinda the same to me. It’s just that one doesn’t care about also harming white people for profit. Both candidates are always ass.
I’m sorry, do you think, for example, AFRICOM just shuts down during democratic presidencies?
You think Palestine is the only Bi-partisan machine? You really need to open a history book. Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Syria and all the rest are all bi-partisan.
Eh, the degree varies greatly. And ultimately, bi-partisan machines are irrelevant to the choice. Look at the partisan ones. Which side is operating more partisan machines?
The difference in both parties is of 100% hitler and 99.5% hitler. Not much
Off the top of my head I can’t think of a single non bi-partisan one.
I understand why people do it but what I don’t understand is why they are content to continue supporting any child crushing and discourage people from discussing it.
Discussing it is fine, I think people only get touchy about it right before an election because they don’t want other people to lose sight of the utility of voting lesser evil. I think the ones who actually think about it don’t support any child crushing, they just recognize that the election has a binary outcome, and they’d rather fight the lesser evil than the greater one.
At the end of the day, voting in bourgeoisie elections is just choosing the enemy you’ll be fighting, and choosing the lesser child crushing gives you a fight you’re more likely to win.
Maybe if your only options are evil, after decades and centuries, it’s time to stop being evil and start over.
When else can people put pressure on the lesser evil to “tone down” the evil? Or take the opportunity to ensure folks know about the evil? Isn’t it when things look their worst they say “well actually we need to be slightly more evil to get those swing voters”?
Maybe I don’t understand the US system but I believe platforms are individual to candidates and that there are no overall party platforms that the candidates are expected to adhere to. How is there no shift to less evil under these conditions? So many individual elections for individual people and a whole lot of wack people getting elected.
and they’d rather fight the lesser evil than the greater one.
I think this is my point: when do they fight the lesser evil?
It really is a reminder of how much western shitlibs don’t consider foreigners human that they would equivocate a modern Holocaust with 'a kick to the balls and a taco"
Sometimes I’ll see liberals hating on the left for losing them the election by not voting for the lesser evil and they’ll say “and she’s not even that bad they just don’t like her laugh”.
Like imagine someone saying the only reason people hate Hitler is because he’s erratic in his speeches.
My favourite is when they talk about genocide in Palestine like it’s a bipartisan FOOTNOTE and act smug about it. Even had one in this very thread.
Did you forget about the millions of dead children your country produces or did you have to make it about you again?
Oh, they didn’t forget, they clearly just don’t care.
That’s called a whataboutism, friend.
Whataboutism isn’t what that is, but whataboutism is also just a term made up by a zionist and then propagated by the CIA in order to stop people like you from thinking about things.
I hope you’re talking about their comment and not mine, because the post is literally about the child crushing machine.
No it isn’t, you fucking idiot
Easy for you when you aren’t the one being kicked. Also you missed where both kill tens of thousands of children.
I think it would be more realistic like this.
Choose one:
- murder strangers and ignore you mostly.
- murder strangers but kick you in the balls.
Democrat voters:
You are blind if you don’t see the difference.
Both of them murder people in the country too, especially those who “look like strangers.”
If someone came up to me and said they were going to shoot one cat or two and if I didn’t choose one they would shoot three I still wouldn’t play their game. Don’t negotiate with terrorists or whatever.
Thats not the deal. Its one or two or two AND you
Both of them lead to you getting put in the machine.
And next time it’ll be two AND you or two AND you AND your mom, have you noticed the pattern yet?
Are you evil naturally, paid for or just incredibly mentally lacking? Do you understand that the West stands solely through oppression and murder on a global scale? Why do you minimize it to a “kick in the balls”? Because they’re not yours, but of other people who don’t share your race? Do you understand what you’re saying here? Goddamn.
hmm, those both choices you laid out; how do the people outside your country get affected by these elections?
Generally, much worse under republicans. Republicans like to start wars.
If you are saying this unironically you need to open a history book and look outside your bubble. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen, Haiti, former Yugoslavia, Sudan, Gaza, Vietnam, Dominican Republic, Somalia and many many more attacked and or destroyed under democrats.
Republicans like to start wars.
Compared to Democrats? How? Libya, Syria and Yemen were attacked under a Democratic president. In fact, Kamala said that Iran is the greatest threat in the world.
Or better yet, the escalation of the genocide under Joe Biden? The genocidal monster who loves “Israel” so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM
Turns out, outside of Amerika; there is in fact not a single fucking difference between these 2 parties. All you care about is domestic affair concerning your treats. You don’t give a fuck about people outside your area.
Turns out, outside of Amerika; there is in fact not a single fucking difference between these 2 parties. All you care about is domestic affair concerning your treats. You don’t give a fuck about people outside your area.
🫰🫰🫰(That’s snapping btw lol)
Like I don’t even expect people to overthrow the government tomorrow or whatever. Shit’s scary, I get it. But like, it would be super cool if they could stop aggressively defending the child crushing in front of the world, on the internet. As a start.
Idk how they can be so weak, they’re truly little scared animals with no honour. We don’t have to and we may even not be able to fix the issues, but to not even admit to them to make ourselves feel better? Jeez. 😔🤷♂️
Do you seriously think most people want foreign wars?
What most people want is not and has never been a going concern in the bourgeois aristocracy of Amerika
Correct
No. In fact one of Trump’s campaign promises was that he wouldn’t start foreign wars, and it polled as highly popular. Anyone that wasn’t an idiot knew that was a lie, but at least he had the decency to lie about it. Democrats couldn’t even muster up that much courage.
Hello, I am a politician running on a proud history of supporting every war the US has been engaged in within my lifetime, as well as most of those outside of it. I would like to thank you for your vote, and please tell me - was your vote for me because of my warmongering or in spite of it? I sincerely await your answer, as it will mean a lot to what sort of policy I pursue <- How you seem to imagine it works when people vote for a warhawk despite their hawkishness.
So here, you say it’s the practical effects of my vote (electing a warhawk) that matters, not the ideals behind it that wish for a different outcome (foreign wars are often harmful and unnecessary). But when I’m voting in the general, suddenly those ideals (voting third party) would be more important than the practical effect (getting a republican elected)? Is there a reason for this difference?
I do not think this. Why do you ask?
You said they were defending the child crushing online. If you didn’t mean you think they support foreign wars, what did you mean?
“Treats” like access to healthcare and food?
Going back to brunch
Totally, and “treats” like bombs and death for the brown people! great system you guys have.
Yes, exactly those.
In my entire lifetime, only republicans have started wars, and only democrats have ended them. I’m almost 40.
In fact, Kamala said that Iran is the greatest threat in the world.
And Donald Trump started a war with them.
The US has not formally declared war since WW2, so formal declaration cannot be your threshold.
Wikipedia has got a list of “wars” in the 21st century that the US has participated in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century
Every president during this period makes the list.
Edit: to clarify I’m not saying Wikipedia is straight facts. It’s a convenient list. Using any other list is fine too.
Are you implying that Joe Biden started the Ukraine War and the Gaza War?
Biden supported Israel on day one of the war with everything he could even bypassing congress so yes, also its the Israeli–Palestinian war btw you dont call the other the Donbass war now do you?
I’m trying to understand what starting a war means such that you can say it was only the republicans.
There are other conflicts in there that are listed with dem presidents.
NATO had been pushing for war with Russia for a while. It finally got it.
So yeah, either of the recent blue governments can be said to have started the war.
In my entire lifetime, only republicans have started wars
Are you less than two years old? Did you already forget that the most recent blue government invaded Yemen and prepared to invade Iran?
This dude just admitted to being 2 years old
-Libya
-Niger
-Syria
-Yemen
All places intervened in by a democrat in recent memory, both parties are extremely militaristic.
It’s only a war if American troops are dying en masse, don’t you know?
Libya, Syria, Kosovo, Bosnia and various drone campaigns. There are probably others in the last 40 years.
am from outside the us.
nope. no worse than democrats.
You’re ignoring the stated viewpoint and making up one thats easier to argue against. Its clear that in the eyes of the poster they both give the same thing, one is just rude about it. Either argue for why being rude about it matters so much or argue for why they aren’t creating the same conditions.
Wait but if you’re bluemaga, why do you portray the one where you don’t get trump as worse?
??
hint
“taco” trump
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Man Russiagate has permanently fried the brains of all you liberals lmao
But do explain how they are a Russian bot.
Some say Rachel Maddow is teasing the release of some papers that are going to be released to this very day.
Seriously. The queen of political ASMR/ gooning/ ruined orgasm queen. She’ll get you close but she’ll never let you cum. Lotta heavy breathing and pregnant pauses.
Oh yes, because obviously anyone criticizing the democratic party for helping to maintain neo-colonial oppression and genocide is a Russian bot.
That was literally 85-95% of lemmy from 2023-2025.
How do you decide it’s a bot? It’s it because it says something you don’t like?
Certainly a person, I speak to them on a regular basis.
nah, im actually a chatbot nerd
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Remember kids, youre either supporting evil or evil with a happy face and there’s no other options, absolutely none at all, so you might as well vote for evil with a happy face - It’s not like we have done this for decades and the strategy has lead us to a point where the only difference is whether or not the senile maniac in charge wears self-tanner or not.
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There is no viable alternative, and your choices are the big evil or the little evil. You can either vote for the little evil or accept the big evil!
There is a viable alternative, it’s called organizing and overthrowing your damn government.
That’s a lot of work tho, think of all the missed brunches.
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Tell me where you live and I’ll tell you three orgs you can join this instant. You could figure it out yourself too, but I dont mind doing the googling for you.
You fed the little evil for decades until it grew big enough to eclipse humanity’s future.
You’re right there’s only two parties in the us and you have to vote for one of them, otherwise you get shot. And thats the only things that are possible for you to do.
Guess we just have to walk down this road until the lesser evil party is also goose-stepping on your neck and then I gotta walk all alone. I’ll walk by the cage in which they keep you and tell you I am real sad about it, but I had to do it because the other party was less cordial. Then ill go have brunch with whoevers left in the electoral hellscape we have created by inchworming towards a completely avoidable Armageddon if we had only had spine. But we dont, we’ve got mimosas instead.
Do you even listen to yourself? lol
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Why even tolerate that kind of system? At that point, burn it all down.
Guess what, both of these choices still kill people outside your country. And Trump, being incompetent as he is, is actually making the system collapse which is in fact a huge benefit to the rest of the world (and the rest of the world’s population is fucking substantially more than Amerika)
Guess what, both of these choices still kill people outside your country.
Don’t forget inside our country too!
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Based on your last paragraph, it seems that you prefer the greater evil. That checks out, “both sides” bullshit is pretty universally pushed by Republicans.
Based on your posts, it seems you don’t care about genocide and destroying countries as long as you get your treats. That’s “lesser evil” for you.
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How did not electing harris work out for Gaza? Still rubble? Shame. I definitely thought the right wing was gonna help Palestine, lol.
Wow, look at that, a scratched liberal. I love how you people get smug about genocide. You fucking monster.
Only fascists like you will consider genocide a bipartisan issue. Go fuck yourself.
I definitely thought the right wing was gonna help Palestines
You’re right about one thing. Harris is part of the right wing.
Hey wasn’t it Joe Biden who was a fervent supporter of Israel while he was pretending he wasn’t? What was it Kamala said about him? Was it something about she would have done as he did? Damn that’s crazy, good things all those missiles and guns and bullets and money didnt work until Trump came into power.
I see we’re back to the same posts that came up in the 2024 election. Tying to get people to not bother voting.
Which child crushing policitian will you vote for?
The one who supports trans rights :3
Are you talking about the one who said that trans people should “follow the law” when asked about their persecution? The one from the party that concluded it had to be less woke to win elections, after eating shit again? The one who has a long track record of doing nothing, at best, for trans people? The one who did nothing to defend roe v. Wade? That one? Yeah, what a great idea, surely signalling that you are completely fine with being thrown under the bus and persecuted (as long as there’s a guy with a combover opposing them) will not at all come back to bite you in the ass. How’s the poem go?
First they put children in tiny cages, but I didnt care because it was Obama who did it and besides I’m still sitting nifty, so who gives a shit.
Then they bombed trans people, but they were brown, so I’m still sitting pretty.
And thats it, im hunky dory.Like the right not to be subject to genocide and apartheid? Oh wait, I forgot that you don’t consider non-white people human.
I’m joking silly. I’m not white. All politicians are garbage. Fuck them all
If you say so. I’m not convinced
I’ve not seen either of them do that. The best we’ve gotten is them pretending to support trans rights, then immediately backing down when they have the power to do something about it.
Who’s that?
Seriously @dismay3915@lemmy.world, which candidate that supports the rights of trans Palestinians did you vote for?
I think they were being sarcastic?
Doesn’t look like it
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Damn, good one bro, you must have got so many updoots
Some old corrupt fucker with a smart PR team
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Can you point out where the comic suggests that you shouldn’t bother voting? Because I must have missed that part.
Are you stupid
Are you? Can you at least try to be a little articulate? Or is that beyond your obviously limited capabilities?
Is there more than two parties in the US?
Functionally not, but voting third party is at least better than not voting
Alright, so you can vote for someone other than the orphan crushers. Weird how you pretended like that wasn’t a possibility.
It has proven to be less effective at stopping the orphan crushing machine than voting for democrats. It is possible that in the long run it could be more effective, though that has not yet been proven.
Doing something that hasnt been done has not been proven to do anything because it hasnt been done. Voting democrat has only accelerated the orphan-killer, so I struggle to see how legitimising the people who want to kill orphans could in any way be a more effective way to stop them than doing the bare minimum of not legitimising them.
It has proven to be less effective at stopping the orphan crushing machine than voting for democrats.
Has it? Did the orphan crushing machine even slow down a little bit when democrats were in power? Because I’m pretty sure that it didn’t.
Voting, at least at a national level, doesn’t change anything, because we are not ruled by politicians but by corporations who own those politicians. At a communal level it’s different, but that’s not the topic here. What it does though, is giving legitimacy to an illegitimate system. If 80% of people would not vote, the system would quicky start to have a legitimacy crisis.
Why does the system need your sense of its legitimacy
A system only really functions as long as it’s subjects perceive it as legitimate. Once you lose legitimacy, people start taking action.
It doesn’t need my sense of legitimacy but if 80% of people say no it will have a problem justifying itself.
Why does it need to justify itself? What do you think happens when it does not?
It would be nice to find out, seeing as how the current strategy of voting blue no matter what very observably leads to genocide and less and less differences between the two parties.
Is this some kind of ploy to try and find some “Voting is always good” counter point, that voting in and of itself is democracy and having that is better then nothing? Which is why you seem to be implying that the system doesn’t need to justify itself, that if the system didn’t do that it would still function and people would still participate, because it is, after all, “Democracy”?
Quit beating around the bush and just say what you mean instead of being a coy annoyance.
I don’t mean anything yet. I’m trying to find out what the system being “justified” functionally does, from your perspective. From my perspective you’re being vague, I’m trying to find my way through the bush here, not beat around it.
Communists critique of Democrats: Somehow both not at all relevant or to be taken into account and also the reason KKKopmala lost
